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Energy & Resource Management Committee Minutes

Energy & Resource Management Committee Minutes


Chairman McNelly called the meeting to order at 7:30 a.m.


Adamson, Avera, McCormack, McNelly, Mitchell, Roberts


Twineham, Mathy


Falcon Waterless Urinals Representatives; Daniel Gleiberman, VP Government Affairs, and Darryl Howard, District Sales Manager


Associate Planner Allen; Clerical Support Norton; Water System Manager Schickling, and Associate Water Engineer Lausten


Minutes of February 15, 2006 (as corrected) replacing name McCormack with Roberts and adding Chairman McNelly reference to the Fix-a Leak Program.
Minutes of March 15, 2006 (as written)



  1. Make determination of start time of future meetings.

The majority of the members preferred a morning meeting.The Chairman will contact member Twineman to learn what his time preference is. No definite time decision could be reach at this time by members present.

  1. Adopt 2006 Goals/Tentative Schedule.

Staff passed out the revised 2006 goals and scheduling for Committee review.

Next month Council will receive the International Compost Awareness Proclamation.Green waste will be on the ERMC agenda for May. Staff and the ERMC will be discussing with MG Disposal a re-launch of the Green Waste Program and how we can work with landscapers to get grass cuttings into the appropriate waste stream.

Committee Member Mitchell continued to express a desire to learn more about electronic waste, and felt that this program needed more publicity to educate the public. Chairman McNelly suggested that the City place collection buckets in the lobby of City Hall for used batteries. Staff said that electronic waste would be discussed at the next meeting along with the new requirements for large venues.

Chairman McNelly requested that a discussion on getting involved in Synagrow’s organic compost program be on next month’s agenda.Orange County Sanitation, MG Disposal, and Bob Savage from Maintenance should be invited to attend that meeting.Waterless urinals should be continued under Old Business.Chairman McNelly suggested that the State Regional Water Quality Control Board Collections and Reporting Program should be placed on the June agenda so that the Committee can continue to stay informed.


Old Business:

  1. Update on City’s Recycled Product Purchasing.

Nancy Pickard, Purchasing Manager is in the process of reviewing the legislation pertaining to recycled products.She said that the City does purchase recycled products whenever practical, and looks into recycled options.The City is willing to purchase re-manufactured products if there are no safety issues.According to Nancy, major vendors void warranties if the City uses re-refined oil. Chairman McNelly stated that re-refined oil meets every ASTM standard and a vendor cannot void a warranty if the oil meets standard.The City must comply with legislation requirements.He would like clarification on any legislation in the State of California that affects the City in relationship to purchases.

Staff reported no problems with the Independence Park location and the Compost Giveaway Program was a success.Staff put out a press release, placed an ad on the cable channel, and a representative from MG Disposal spoke at a City Council meeting to promote the Give-a-Way Program prior to the event on April 8.There were also two banners at the site.

New Business:

  1. Presentation on waterless urinals – Falcon Water-free Toilets

Representatives Daniel Gleiberman and Darryl Howard of Falcon Water-free toilets presented an overview of the company.The company was founded in 1991 and in 1999 the product was introduced to the United States. Mr. Gleiberman talked about the benefits to the City by using Falcon water-free urinals.They are as follows:

  • Water conservation – efficient use of water resources.
  • Reduces water in sewer system.
  • Cost effective – MWD rebates cover the total cost of each toilet purchased.There is also a savings on flush valves.
  • Easy maintenance and odor free - uses an easy to install cartridge.
  • They are leak-proof and have less chance of clogging.
  • In schools the urinals cut down on vandalism - the cartridge fits tightly and cannot easily be removed by the students.
  • Training - Falcon provides in-service training on how to change the cartridges.

Falcon takes sanitation and health issues very seriously and stands by their product.Independent studies have confirmed this.There are four different models available.The strength of the company is that the models are all compatible; will fit nicely in the same space as the current urinals and the cartridges are interchangeable with each model.

The plumber’s union is fighting the change over.Because the waterless urinals have low maintenance, the plumbers fear loss of work.Mr. Gleiberman said that there would be tremendous retrofit opportunities for plumbers.If Falcon were to capture just 10% of the existing installed urinal base it would grow the plumbers’ business.Falcon does not look at this new technology as an issue, and will work with the plumber’s union to make it a win-win for both parties.

Mr. Gleiberman said that the smaller models featured in the brochure are suitable for home use in locations where a urinal is desired.In time the technology will become common for all in-home use.

Mr. Gleiberman stated that they have a spread sheet prepared to help analyze the cost and benefits of the system.

Chairman McNelly said the Committee has a lot of interest in the waterless urinals and sees opportunities to put them to use throughout the City.Committee Member Adamson expressed an interest in looking at a feasibility study and then targeting restaurant owners.He recommended that the Committee ultimately work to pursue code amendments as well.

Committee Member McCormack suggested that the City could possibly subsidize the cost of filters.

  1. Presentation of City water conservation programs and opportunities.

David Schickling, Water Systems Manager said a portion of that water that the City uses comes from the Metropolitan Water District.Fees paid to MWD include funding water conservation products.At Metropolitan’s last board meeting, the District was encouraged to increase their conservation efforts.The following are some of the water saving products that are available to the City from MWD: 1) washing machines for clothes; 2) low-flush toilets; 3) smart timers for regulating sprinkler systems.

Kimberly Clark has proposed a new water circulation plant that will save more than 30% of their water by re-circulating it.

The most effective product has been the ultra-low flush toilets.Over the years 16,000 rebates have been issued for purchasing these toilets.The program is still offered on our website.However, the feeling is that that market has been saturated.

Chairman McNelly asked how the Committee could help promote these water savings products.Mr. Schickling said getting the word out to the public would be helpful such as contacting the home owner’s associations regarding the smart timers.Chairman McNelly recommended that the City put out a press release, and place an article in the newspaper to inform the public of the availability of these water saving products.

Chairman McNelly suggested that a Water Department representative along with a Committee Member could speak to the Chamber about the water conservation products that are available through the City. He asked Staff to compile a list of the top 10 major water users in the City.


Chairman McNelly said that there is a new program called “No Drugs Down the Drain” and passed out an informative brochure.

The Committee welcomed Tony Roberts back to the Committee.

ADJOURNED AT:8:25 a.m.

The next ERMC meeting is scheduled for May 17, 2006


Beverly Norton, Clerical Support